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Egypt :
Two days ago I posted a news link about a Muslim Fight over the Building of a Coptic Christian Church.
Thinking it was another one of those small sectarian clashes that take place in smaller and less capitalized areas in Egypt.
This morning, it hit me, that this is NOT a SMALL sectarian CLASH, this is an attack on a church! In every sense of the word, and an attack on it’s people, and a collective, unanimous agreement to ATTACK!
According to AINA sources, a thousand Christians were trapped inside a church while 20,000 Muslims attacked with stones, Molotov and hateful words.
Although, I’m yet to find this news article in more credible sources, I unfortunately believe it already. Here are some Images provided by AINA.
Reminded of the Monestary Butchery, the allegedly Crazy man who walked into churches stabbing people, the Alexandria Famous Christian-Muslim Clash...I’m filled with a deep sense of regret, fear, and disgust.
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Bobby
Nov 27 2008
Kansas City,
United States
Islam is religion of peace ... it doesn't say to kill anyone .. it values all human lives and doesn't allow any harm to anyone ... they just blow you up for not practicing peace with them by holding an AK-47 , stones you to death for getting raped, and blame all other religions in the world for all the problem they create ... but let me say it clearly - its the religion of peace ...Amen
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(Global Perspectives)
Sarah
sarahngb.blogspot.co..
Nov 27 2008
Cairo,
Egypt
this is not about Islam Bobby...it’s about a Country that fails to educate people properly, fails to protect its minorities, and puts down laws that promote discrimination. Then sit back and watch people turn against one another.
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(Local Perspectives)
Islam! The religion of peace strikes again.
Muslims are the root of all evil across the globe... I do agree that there are few good Muslims too but 80% of muslim population are one way or the other linked to terrorism. I can't imagine the kind of terror going on there right now.
Muslims are the root of all evil across the globe... I do agree that there are few good Muslims too but 80% of muslim population are one way or the other linked to terrorism. I can't imagine the kind of terror going on there right now.
(Global Perspectives)
Illiteracy and narrow mindedness are roots of all evil. It’s got nothing to do with the muslims or the christians, years ago the christians burnt people at the stake and called scientists the devil! It’s not about the religion itself, it’s about the people who are uneducated and uncivil and how they multiply and reproduce and nothing ever changes.
(Local Perspectives)
As a Muslim, i know what the problem is:
The ulamas would rather tell their followers to take up their guns and shoot on people rather than taking up books and reading or taking up beakers and doing experiments like the good ol' Islamic Golden Age days.
Radical Islamism is the cancer of the Muslim World, just like how the Neo-Con Christian Evangelism is the cancer of the Christian World.
The ulamas would rather tell their followers to take up their guns and shoot on people rather than taking up books and reading or taking up beakers and doing experiments like the good ol' Islamic Golden Age days.
Radical Islamism is the cancer of the Muslim World, just like how the Neo-Con Christian Evangelism is the cancer of the Christian World.
(Global Perspectives)
Absolutely right Thamer.
Let’s call a spade a spade and stop hiding behind bogus excuses.
Let’s call a spade a spade and stop hiding behind bogus excuses.
(Global Perspectives)
Just checking the AINA link, and at the bottom of the article it says: ”www.voiceofthecopts.org” I am guessing that is where they got the news from.
So I checked their website and it says ”10,000 Muslims” and ”800 Christians”. I am not saying that this didn’t happen, but the numbers are awfully inaccurate, especially for news.
So I checked their website and it says ”10,000 Muslims” and ”800 Christians”. I am not saying that this didn’t happen, but the numbers are awfully inaccurate, especially for news.
(Global Perspectives)
That’s a good fact thank Ad.
However, 10,000 vs 20,000 or even 5,000
still quite a big number...still all the same. I hope other facts, more important ones, are inaccurate too. I really Hope this news article is inaccurate all in all. I don’t want any of it to be true...three zeros or one.
However, 10,000 vs 20,000 or even 5,000
still quite a big number...still all the same. I hope other facts, more important ones, are inaccurate too. I really Hope this news article is inaccurate all in all. I don’t want any of it to be true...three zeros or one.
(Local Perspectives)
What we see are pictures, what we dont see is the real story behind all this. And please dont link Islam to the actions of few muslims.
(Local Perspectives)
Mona, the danish cartoons were nothing but pictures, nothing close to the real story. The danish cartoons threatened a religion and disrespected it...
This threatens lives and disrespects a place of worship and a religion too..
I’m with you, we shouldn’t link Islam to the actions mentioned above, but please, do not denounce the importance or the reality of this because there were ’pictures’ that may mean something slightly different.
This threatens lives and disrespects a place of worship and a religion too..
I’m with you, we shouldn’t link Islam to the actions mentioned above, but please, do not denounce the importance or the reality of this because there were ’pictures’ that may mean something slightly different.
(Local Perspectives)
Hi Mona,
I’m not the writer’s defence committee LOL but she never said she was posting the real story.
On the contrary, she says ”I’m yet to find this news article in more credible sources”. Which seems honest and fair to me.
And I for one AM linking this to Muslims. Who do you want us to link it too? The Socialist Party of Greenland?
But that doesn’t mean I’m critical of Muslims, and anyone on this site who knows me knows I am a friend of the Muslim world and feel for what is happening there.
C’mon, it’s time moderate Muslims the world over stood up and denounced their terrorist fellow-Muslims from the rooftops instead of saying it all has nothing to do with Muslims.
Thanks
I’m not the writer’s defence committee LOL but she never said she was posting the real story.
On the contrary, she says ”I’m yet to find this news article in more credible sources”. Which seems honest and fair to me.
And I for one AM linking this to Muslims. Who do you want us to link it too? The Socialist Party of Greenland?
But that doesn’t mean I’m critical of Muslims, and anyone on this site who knows me knows I am a friend of the Muslim world and feel for what is happening there.
C’mon, it’s time moderate Muslims the world over stood up and denounced their terrorist fellow-Muslims from the rooftops instead of saying it all has nothing to do with Muslims.
Thanks
(Global Perspectives)
Moreover, if this has nothing to do with Muslims, why is the article headlined ”Muslims....etc”?
Are we supposed to believe they all just happened to be Muslims by coincidence?
What on earth is wrong with accepting facts?
After all, it would be like me rejecting criticism of the Americans’ presence in Irak on the grounds that not all Americans are in Irak. ((And, in America, there are many American critics of Bush who do not consider that they are denigrating America).
Not all Americans are like Bush, just like not all Muslims are Terrorists.
Ignoring problems does not make them go away. On the contrary....
Are we supposed to believe they all just happened to be Muslims by coincidence?
What on earth is wrong with accepting facts?
After all, it would be like me rejecting criticism of the Americans’ presence in Irak on the grounds that not all Americans are in Irak. ((And, in America, there are many American critics of Bush who do not consider that they are denigrating America).
Not all Americans are like Bush, just like not all Muslims are Terrorists.
Ignoring problems does not make them go away. On the contrary....
(Global Perspectives)
the thing is Michael, this one case, is not really about people justifying their actions through the teachings of Islam. Maybe in other cases of sectarian violence, maybe in other times, but not this one.
This one is about a country that has people who believe they have more of a right to be there than others. It’s about the muslim majority of Egypt treating the christian minority like they don’t belong here, like they’re just impostors, like they don’t have equal rights in the country, like the shouldn’t publicly practice their religion too.
It’s about a country that now considers itself fully Islamic, with laws that are derived from the Islamic Shari’a and applied to non muslims too. A country that has forgotten it’s history and origins and now pretends like it was Muslim all along, and that non muslims are all apostates and should live in fear and silence.
It’s the Islamic education as part of Arabic Classes in school, and the loud speakers that boom with prayer 5 times a day, forcing everyone to listen, and even memorize the prayer by now.
It’s not about Islam at all, it’s about two different religious groups not being able to tolerate one another and respect one anther’s basic constitutional rights...backed up by the state and it’s laws.
This one is about a country that has people who believe they have more of a right to be there than others. It’s about the muslim majority of Egypt treating the christian minority like they don’t belong here, like they’re just impostors, like they don’t have equal rights in the country, like the shouldn’t publicly practice their religion too.
It’s about a country that now considers itself fully Islamic, with laws that are derived from the Islamic Shari’a and applied to non muslims too. A country that has forgotten it’s history and origins and now pretends like it was Muslim all along, and that non muslims are all apostates and should live in fear and silence.
It’s the Islamic education as part of Arabic Classes in school, and the loud speakers that boom with prayer 5 times a day, forcing everyone to listen, and even memorize the prayer by now.
It’s not about Islam at all, it’s about two different religious groups not being able to tolerate one another and respect one anther’s basic constitutional rights...backed up by the state and it’s laws.
(Local Perspectives)
Thank you Sarah, for a very thoughtful and informative mini-article-in-itself as you know how to do.
I really feel for all those who get caught up in all this religious-war stuff.
You have explained that Islam is not the issue in this incident, and I accept that as being true (after all I don’t live there and can’t understand it like you).
And what on earth is the Egyption state up to here?!!
However I’m sure that you will agree that, given your comments on the religious education/prayer/a country considering itself fully Islamic, there are religious (thus Islamic) forces at work here too. Or have I misunderstood. (This is complex. I just want to understand).
(Oh, and just about cartoons, I understand that some people consider them an insult, but I DO live in the West, where no-one considers them to be an insult. I agree with their publication according to my culture’s right to free speech, even if some people (including catholics, jews etc, not just muslims) don’t like it. I hope you understand. None of my friends is anti-islam but they all defend the right of the author to publish, if you see what I mean.
This is now a global world, but each culture is different and we just have to accept that in my humble opinion. Just as I MYSELF accept criticism of my ideas as being no more than the freedom of expression.....
Thanks again!!
I really feel for all those who get caught up in all this religious-war stuff.
You have explained that Islam is not the issue in this incident, and I accept that as being true (after all I don’t live there and can’t understand it like you).
And what on earth is the Egyption state up to here?!!
However I’m sure that you will agree that, given your comments on the religious education/prayer/a country considering itself fully Islamic, there are religious (thus Islamic) forces at work here too. Or have I misunderstood. (This is complex. I just want to understand).
(Oh, and just about cartoons, I understand that some people consider them an insult, but I DO live in the West, where no-one considers them to be an insult. I agree with their publication according to my culture’s right to free speech, even if some people (including catholics, jews etc, not just muslims) don’t like it. I hope you understand. None of my friends is anti-islam but they all defend the right of the author to publish, if you see what I mean.
This is now a global world, but each culture is different and we just have to accept that in my humble opinion. Just as I MYSELF accept criticism of my ideas as being no more than the freedom of expression.....
Thanks again!!
(Global Perspectives)
Lets see, what is the Egyptatian state up to here? The thing is, there are laws restricting the building of churches in Egypt, as opposed to that of building a mosque, which you can practically do anywhere anytime anyplace in any size or shape. You can ever turn any pavement into prayer space during Friday prayers, so what is the Egyptian state up to? I’m sure it’s a dark place on their backside.
There are ofcourse Islamic forces at work too, but its never usually so explicit as ”go out and demonstrate this church building crap”, it’s usually a much more randomly sparked incident and usually has nothing to do with more organized religious groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood for example.
Last thing, I’m afraid you misunderstood my example about the danish cartoons. While i believe they were acceptable, by measures of freedom of speech, something the Arab world will never accept, I chose to give it as an example of something people of the Muslim faith found UNACCEPTABLE, protested against, and basically flipped out over. I found it unreasonable that Mona is denouncing the impact of these images, and forgetting the impact of the danish cartoons as images too. At least these images do no represent personal expression or creativity or even a sense of humor, these images are real, and they depict reality.
There are ofcourse Islamic forces at work too, but its never usually so explicit as ”go out and demonstrate this church building crap”, it’s usually a much more randomly sparked incident and usually has nothing to do with more organized religious groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood for example.
Last thing, I’m afraid you misunderstood my example about the danish cartoons. While i believe they were acceptable, by measures of freedom of speech, something the Arab world will never accept, I chose to give it as an example of something people of the Muslim faith found UNACCEPTABLE, protested against, and basically flipped out over. I found it unreasonable that Mona is denouncing the impact of these images, and forgetting the impact of the danish cartoons as images too. At least these images do no represent personal expression or creativity or even a sense of humor, these images are real, and they depict reality.
(Local Perspectives)
here’s a more detailed account...
http://pbaptist.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/egypt-thousands-protest-vandalize-church/
http://pbaptist.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/egypt-thousands-protest-vandalize-church/
(Local Perspectives)
Hey Sarah, just wondering if you were going to change the headline?
After the numbers turning out incorrect, I was going to change it (just for newsworthy reasons), but its your story, so its your call.
Thanks
After the numbers turning out incorrect, I was going to change it (just for newsworthy reasons), but its your story, so its your call.
Thanks
(Global Perspectives)
Thanks Adam, you could have done it yourself too you know it would have been ok, but thanks anyway:)
(Local Perspectives)
I cold not bare to go through all of the narrow minded ignorant ramblings which blame Islam as the root of all evil.
If a building already had 1000 people in it, and was surrounded by another 20,000 seeking do do destruction - I can guarantee that the building would have been destroyed and probably the people would have been killed. This is simple math.
Now I believe you should have looked a bit deeper and that you were right when you said that you could not find a more credible source. This story was clearly created by voiceofthecopts.org and promoted through the Assyrian News Agency which is also a Christian organization. If anyone would like to check they will find all stories related to this all fall back unto just once source. A simple search on GOOGLE news of ”Muslims attack Christians” will reveal nothing about this article except for one or two random articles which are quoted back from one of the two afore mentioned sources.
It is hardly prudent journalism for people to report on such a serious situation without validating their sources for credibility. The continued spreading of this article serves as nothing more then propaganda to foster hate and intolerance between Christians and Muslims and make every non-Muslim scared of Islam.
before anyone comes to attack me - I implore you to refute me with evidence of the reality of this attack. Third party, neutral resources. Answer me this, why has this story not been picked up by any credible new reporting agency?
That being said - I would like to say thanks for bringing this article out in the open so I could at least address its content somewhere.
If a building already had 1000 people in it, and was surrounded by another 20,000 seeking do do destruction - I can guarantee that the building would have been destroyed and probably the people would have been killed. This is simple math.
Now I believe you should have looked a bit deeper and that you were right when you said that you could not find a more credible source. This story was clearly created by voiceofthecopts.org and promoted through the Assyrian News Agency which is also a Christian organization. If anyone would like to check they will find all stories related to this all fall back unto just once source. A simple search on GOOGLE news of ”Muslims attack Christians” will reveal nothing about this article except for one or two random articles which are quoted back from one of the two afore mentioned sources.
It is hardly prudent journalism for people to report on such a serious situation without validating their sources for credibility. The continued spreading of this article serves as nothing more then propaganda to foster hate and intolerance between Christians and Muslims and make every non-Muslim scared of Islam.
before anyone comes to attack me - I implore you to refute me with evidence of the reality of this attack. Third party, neutral resources. Answer me this, why has this story not been picked up by any credible new reporting agency?
That being said - I would like to say thanks for bringing this article out in the open so I could at least address its content somewhere.
(Global Perspectives)
This is not hateful propaganda, like many other things here on Instablogs, that only come to light once or twice, ever, I came across something, shared it, and announced my uncertainty of it’s reality and the source it came from, I offered links, opinion and background information.
Thanks for participating.
Thanks for participating.
(Local Perspectives)
”the danish cartoons were nothing but pictures, nothing close to the real story. The danish cartoons threatened a religion and disrespected it...”
Not sure how it threatened the religion.. perhaps disrespected, but the Muslims are infamous for disrespecting all other religions, so perhaps they need to get tougher skinned. If they can do it to other religions they should not complain about it being done to theirs.
Not sure how it threatened the religion.. perhaps disrespected, but the Muslims are infamous for disrespecting all other religions, so perhaps they need to get tougher skinned. If they can do it to other religions they should not complain about it being done to theirs.
(Global Perspectives)
The Danish cartoons threatened the credibility and reputation of a religion world-wide, that is threatening it.
Besides, Islam is the only religion I know of, that preaches the ideology of an Eye for an Eye...so it’s not really about getting tough skinned and accepting what they do to others being done to them.
Besides, Islam is the only religion I know of, that preaches the ideology of an Eye for an Eye...so it’s not really about getting tough skinned and accepting what they do to others being done to them.
(Local Perspectives)
Hi Sarah,
that these cartoons threatened the credibility of Islam is a Muslim’s ”point of view” and that’s fair enough.
However It’s not a fact. It’s a perception.
I DON’T think they threatened ANYTHING,
That’s not a ”fact” either. It’s just my perception.
but that’s because I’m from the West.
This is called people-see-things-differently, and that’s their right....
...and, as you say, these cartoons have become part of the reality. My muslim friends just ignore them.
(Oh, and concerning ’an eye for an eye’, I think that’s in the bible too (but then again, my religious credentials....LOL!! :p)
Seeya!
that these cartoons threatened the credibility of Islam is a Muslim’s ”point of view” and that’s fair enough.
However It’s not a fact. It’s a perception.
I DON’T think they threatened ANYTHING,
That’s not a ”fact” either. It’s just my perception.
but that’s because I’m from the West.
This is called people-see-things-differently, and that’s their right....
...and, as you say, these cartoons have become part of the reality. My muslim friends just ignore them.
(Oh, and concerning ’an eye for an eye’, I think that’s in the bible too (but then again, my religious credentials....LOL!! :p)
Seeya!
(Global Perspectives)
Well, besides the Danish Cartoons, which I understand completely why they offended Muslims, even if now they’re able to just ignore it, the eye for an eye thing is in the Old testament and not the New one.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: / But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: / But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
(Local Perspectives)
Thanks for the info Sarah, I lost my bible at age 14 as you know, in a church in the afternoon.
Oh, and I do agree with your comment higher up the page. I can see no earthly reason why you shouldn’t have put up your article. You found information, put it up, said it needed to be checked.
What could be fairer than that?
The alternative is press censorship. We in the West did nothing to stop the ”Bush did 9/11) childishness, and so much the better.
A big BRAVO to you!!!!!
Oh, and I do agree with your comment higher up the page. I can see no earthly reason why you shouldn’t have put up your article. You found information, put it up, said it needed to be checked.
What could be fairer than that?
The alternative is press censorship. We in the West did nothing to stop the ”Bush did 9/11) childishness, and so much the better.
A big BRAVO to you!!!!!
(Global Perspectives)
P.S. The point being that even if it was 100 muslims attacking a church with 5 people in it, this is morallly wrong. People should be free to worship as they please.
(Global Perspectives)
The point is not the number but rather it is a fictitious story and that is the reason no respectable new agency picked the story up. Simple. None form US or UK. It has nothig to do with numbers or worshipping freely it has to do with anti-Islam propaganda meant to stir up people like yourself into hating Islam.
(Global Perspectives)
”The point is not the number but rather it is a fictitious story and that is the reason no respectable new agency picked the story up.”
I live in Mexico, I know it’s far off from the story at hand, but I cannot even begin to count the amount of HORRIFIC, yet very real and very TRUE acts that have taken place and continue to take place which are not picked up by ”any reputable foreign newspaper”.
People should be safe while worshipping period, whether it is in a Church or anyone of the many mosque, ”which you can practically do anywhere anytime anyplace in any size or shape.”
While the numbers may have turned out to be incorrect, Sarah did mention she had not found a credible source, yet wanted to share her concerns and opinions in a non-discriminate manner. I don’t see any descrimination, I see compassion for humanity and respect for ones faith, regardless of what it may be.
I live in Mexico, I know it’s far off from the story at hand, but I cannot even begin to count the amount of HORRIFIC, yet very real and very TRUE acts that have taken place and continue to take place which are not picked up by ”any reputable foreign newspaper”.
People should be safe while worshipping period, whether it is in a Church or anyone of the many mosque, ”which you can practically do anywhere anytime anyplace in any size or shape.”
While the numbers may have turned out to be incorrect, Sarah did mention she had not found a credible source, yet wanted to share her concerns and opinions in a non-discriminate manner. I don’t see any descrimination, I see compassion for humanity and respect for ones faith, regardless of what it may be.
(Global Perspectives)
No, Hamza... whether this is a fictitious story or not, there are a multitude of other stories that ARE true of Muslims attacking Christians and other religions. Why can’t they just let others worship as they please? And before you claim that other religions have done the same in the past, ”the past” is the operative word. And yes there are fanatics in every religion, but not to the same extent.
(Global Perspectives)
Bosnia and Albania were so far in the past? I think not my friend.
Furthermore how can you say it is not the point if the story is fictitious or not! So anyone can write anything and that makes it ok? I think not.
If there are so many multitudes of stories like this then let them report on that and we can then exchange on that. Until then it is relegated to be mearly lies for fools to eat, their hate satiated for the time being
Furthermore how can you say it is not the point if the story is fictitious or not! So anyone can write anything and that makes it ok? I think not.
If there are so many multitudes of stories like this then let them report on that and we can then exchange on that. Until then it is relegated to be mearly lies for fools to eat, their hate satiated for the time being
(Global Perspectives)
You have got to be kidding me? A grainy home video in which you can barely see or hear anything which is cut to such a short time frame you can not truly ascertain anything that is going on.
I repeat if this is all so true, then why have the more respectable and reliable News agencies all passed on this? Such sensational video would have surely gotten a good price!
The fact is we dont know who/what/where/why this video was shot so it is rather irrelevant as it proves nothing.
I repeat if this is all so true, then why have the more respectable and reliable News agencies all passed on this? Such sensational video would have surely gotten a good price!
The fact is we dont know who/what/where/why this video was shot so it is rather irrelevant as it proves nothing.
(Global Perspectives)
Whoa!! LOL!!
Calm down guys!
I think you’re all being a little over-sensitive if you don’t mind me saying so.
This reminds me of the 9/11 conspiracy theory. Everyone ignored it and now, if you go to youtube, all you’ll see is the usual bunch of snotty-nosed college kids making themselves paranoid. That’s what kids do.
I honestly think that if this is untrue, then it’ll just fade away and if it’s true, we’ll just have to address the situation.
Simple as that.
Bye guys ’n’ girls.
Calm down guys!
I think you’re all being a little over-sensitive if you don’t mind me saying so.
This reminds me of the 9/11 conspiracy theory. Everyone ignored it and now, if you go to youtube, all you’ll see is the usual bunch of snotty-nosed college kids making themselves paranoid. That’s what kids do.
I honestly think that if this is untrue, then it’ll just fade away and if it’s true, we’ll just have to address the situation.
Simple as that.
Bye guys ’n’ girls.
(Global Perspectives)
You are all talking about the fight and you ignored the main reason of this fight, muslims attacked christians because they did their prayers in a mosque, muslims were offended and this is how the fight started. This act of disrespect resulted in the fight, I dunno why ppl can’t understand that muslims love their religion this much, they had the right to protest against those sily cartoons, they had the right to protest the disrespectful act of those coptics, period. the problem, in my opinion, is abt the way muslims dealt with this not in defending their religion.
To sum up, I agree with Hamza that this article lacks credibility since it has nothing to do with the truth ( main reason of the fight) and anyone who lives in egypt wud know how ppl respect christins there, I guess u still remember when the two girls converted to islam and coptics didn’t allow them to practise their freedom of holding the religion they chose and muslims respected that and didn’t want to interfere. I’m not defending muslims, but i can’t blame them for loving their own religion, and the one who knows the islamic teachings wud know what i’m talking abt but unfortunately it seems that even nowadays muslims know abt their religion including -with my all respect to Sarah and this is just my opinion that can be wrong- this article writer. Thank you very much for this article and giving us the chance of discussing such an interesting topic, keep up the good work, bye ;)
To sum up, I agree with Hamza that this article lacks credibility since it has nothing to do with the truth ( main reason of the fight) and anyone who lives in egypt wud know how ppl respect christins there, I guess u still remember when the two girls converted to islam and coptics didn’t allow them to practise their freedom of holding the religion they chose and muslims respected that and didn’t want to interfere. I’m not defending muslims, but i can’t blame them for loving their own religion, and the one who knows the islamic teachings wud know what i’m talking abt but unfortunately it seems that even nowadays muslims know abt their religion including -with my all respect to Sarah and this is just my opinion that can be wrong- this article writer. Thank you very much for this article and giving us the chance of discussing such an interesting topic, keep up the good work, bye ;)
(Global Perspectives)
Excuse me:
1. what mosque exactly did they pray in?
2. Not only were there protests against the danish cartoons, there was an economy hurt, people injured, flags burnt, boycotts campaigned and people MURDERED. I don’t think that’s protesting.
3. I’m sure people can understand muslims’ love of Islam, but this is not LOVE!
4.This is not an article, therefore it does not lack credibility.
5. I live in Egypt, and I know how people respect Christians here, not very well.
6. I also remember the guy who pushed the little girl with a cross on her chest, infront of the underground just before it passed by and cut both her legs and an arm off, and swore at her for being Christian. Oh by the way, he was a Muslim. So please, refrain from such reminders of stories because there are so many which are NOT in the favor of Egyptian Muslims, or Islam all in all.
7. It’s ok if you want to defend Muslims. But, no one is attacking them here.
8. Thank you for your respect.
9. You’re welcome for the post.
10. Bye!
1. what mosque exactly did they pray in?
2. Not only were there protests against the danish cartoons, there was an economy hurt, people injured, flags burnt, boycotts campaigned and people MURDERED. I don’t think that’s protesting.
3. I’m sure people can understand muslims’ love of Islam, but this is not LOVE!
4.This is not an article, therefore it does not lack credibility.
5. I live in Egypt, and I know how people respect Christians here, not very well.
6. I also remember the guy who pushed the little girl with a cross on her chest, infront of the underground just before it passed by and cut both her legs and an arm off, and swore at her for being Christian. Oh by the way, he was a Muslim. So please, refrain from such reminders of stories because there are so many which are NOT in the favor of Egyptian Muslims, or Islam all in all.
7. It’s ok if you want to defend Muslims. But, no one is attacking them here.
8. Thank you for your respect.
9. You’re welcome for the post.
10. Bye!
(Local Perspectives)
Sarah,
I couldn’t agree more. This is an outrageous comment.
What possible justification can be given for violence in answer to words or drawings?
We all have the right to protest, Mohammed, and that’s normal. But do you honestly think that physical violence is justified?
”An eye for an eye”. Agreed.
But your philosophy seems more about ”A life for an eye”, and it’s unacceptable.
C’mon! There are many muslims here in France, and I hear insults from a small (yes, VERY small) minority of them concerning my western culture and spiritual beliefs every couple of days.
Does that mean I have the right to kick the shit out of them?
You are an agitator and an advocate of violence.
This means that you, and others like you, are part of the problem.
I couldn’t agree more. This is an outrageous comment.
What possible justification can be given for violence in answer to words or drawings?
We all have the right to protest, Mohammed, and that’s normal. But do you honestly think that physical violence is justified?
”An eye for an eye”. Agreed.
But your philosophy seems more about ”A life for an eye”, and it’s unacceptable.
C’mon! There are many muslims here in France, and I hear insults from a small (yes, VERY small) minority of them concerning my western culture and spiritual beliefs every couple of days.
Does that mean I have the right to kick the shit out of them?
You are an agitator and an advocate of violence.
This means that you, and others like you, are part of the problem.
(Global Perspectives)
nowadays muslims know nothing about their religion******
sorry for the typos :|
lol
sorry for the typos :|
lol
(Global Perspectives)
Sarah,
Perhaps I cam across a bit to harsh on you, and that was not my intent. The hateful propaganda I was reporting was in fact the story itself, and not the fact that you posted it. I stand by my affirmation regarding this as it appears a partially if not wholly fabricated story which has not been picked up by any respectable or reliable media source. This source continues to be spread via blogs and special interest websites, but has yet to reach main stream media, I wonder why? Its apparent purpose is to once again paint the Muslim as an extremist hate monger who attacks en mass innocent people.
Regarding some of the rest of the issues that have been addressed here:
Danish Cartoons – They hide behind the perceived right of “freedom of speech” to publish (multiple times, months apart) inflammatory caricatures of one of the most revered men in history, and for what? Simply to cause a stir and sell papers. Well they were successful. Just as people defended their rights to freedom of speech in publishing such hateful images in a time of increased paranoia and fear, I defend my right and the right of every Muslim to protest those cartoons and their publishers. I also defend the right to boycott the products of the country to attempt a change through financial pressure – isn’t this what the UN calls economic sanctions? I do not however justify the deaths of innocent people nor the destruction of property, especially those of people who had nothing to do with it. Since this was not related to the article itself, I will however forgo any more on this subject.
Anyone that harms a child, regardless of what they believe she thinks or not, is an evil creature and in Islam we have laws that would handle it. He potentially tried to kill an innocent child for no reason, and should be put to death because of it. Since I am unfamiliar with the story I will not comment on more then you have said, except to say –That is not Islam. Judge the people by the book not the book by the people.
Perhaps I cam across a bit to harsh on you, and that was not my intent. The hateful propaganda I was reporting was in fact the story itself, and not the fact that you posted it. I stand by my affirmation regarding this as it appears a partially if not wholly fabricated story which has not been picked up by any respectable or reliable media source. This source continues to be spread via blogs and special interest websites, but has yet to reach main stream media, I wonder why? Its apparent purpose is to once again paint the Muslim as an extremist hate monger who attacks en mass innocent people.
Regarding some of the rest of the issues that have been addressed here:
Danish Cartoons – They hide behind the perceived right of “freedom of speech” to publish (multiple times, months apart) inflammatory caricatures of one of the most revered men in history, and for what? Simply to cause a stir and sell papers. Well they were successful. Just as people defended their rights to freedom of speech in publishing such hateful images in a time of increased paranoia and fear, I defend my right and the right of every Muslim to protest those cartoons and their publishers. I also defend the right to boycott the products of the country to attempt a change through financial pressure – isn’t this what the UN calls economic sanctions? I do not however justify the deaths of innocent people nor the destruction of property, especially those of people who had nothing to do with it. Since this was not related to the article itself, I will however forgo any more on this subject.
Anyone that harms a child, regardless of what they believe she thinks or not, is an evil creature and in Islam we have laws that would handle it. He potentially tried to kill an innocent child for no reason, and should be put to death because of it. Since I am unfamiliar with the story I will not comment on more then you have said, except to say –That is not Islam. Judge the people by the book not the book by the people.
(Global Perspectives)
Amen to that.
Cultural differences exist.
Fact.
We Westerners think cartoons are ok, and some Muslims don’t. Fine.
But responses to perceived grievances need to be expressed by dialogue, and not by violence.
Boycotts? Great. Peaceful protest? Fine.
We are not all identical, but..
There are sites and people who paint Muslims as hatemongers.
There are sites and people who paint Westerners as hatemongers.
Let’s just leave all that to bitter old fighters of another war and young people who shall grow up one day.
No-one needs violence.
OUR job is to promote mutual understanding and respect.
Thanks
Cultural differences exist.
Fact.
We Westerners think cartoons are ok, and some Muslims don’t. Fine.
But responses to perceived grievances need to be expressed by dialogue, and not by violence.
Boycotts? Great. Peaceful protest? Fine.
We are not all identical, but..
There are sites and people who paint Muslims as hatemongers.
There are sites and people who paint Westerners as hatemongers.
Let’s just leave all that to bitter old fighters of another war and young people who shall grow up one day.
No-one needs violence.
OUR job is to promote mutual understanding and respect.
Thanks
(Global Perspectives)
Hello everyobne!
I like the way u listed ur ideas so mines wud be listed in the same way, thank u for inspiring me Miss Sarah :)
1) each one has his own way of protesting as long as they do that in a civilized way and boycotting was a very civilized way to express themselves.
2) I commented on the article cz i thought its not credible, i didn’t deny the coptics-muslims problems in egypt. You’re the Egyptian here and I’m sure u know more than I do about what’s going on in ur country and I’d appreciate if u write more articles about this topic so I can learn more abt the situation there.
3) I don’t need to defend Islam, it defends itself and I don’t defend muslims simply because each one is responsible for himself/herself.
4)I don’t defend violence, I don’t defend criminals whether they are muslims or christians or whatever, what is wrong is wrong.
5) Micheal, if you scrolled back u’ll see that I said that the problem was in the way muslims dealt with that cartoon thing not in the act of protestiing, I do believe that some muslims over reacted abt it exactly as they did when they accused that british teacher in Sudan because she called a teddy bear as muhammed, she didn’t mean to offend anyone, she named the teddy bear after a student of hers named muhammed. She appologized ;yet, some ppl insisted to over react abt it and unfortunately she was jailed for that. so as I said, the problem was in the way muslims deal with such problems sometimes.
6)I’m not gonna comment on muslims in france, especially ”les maghrebins” even I know how its like there, its way more complicated than just a religious problem.
7) i’m just amazed with the way u assumed i’m defending violence or as u stated i’m part of the problem, anyways, maybe u misunderstood what i have said and u misjudged me, maybe u do think i’m part of ”the problem” or among the 80% of the muslim evils as Mr.Christian from Venezuela said above(I wonder where he got that 80% from, maybe he has asked all the billion muslims and came out with that conclusion). anywho, its all the same to me since I don’t have any problem in being a muslim, and i forgive u for ur random judgements.
8) there are many kinds of violnce, if u break one’s leg, he’d be healed soon, but verbal violenc remains in one’s mind for the rest of his life. Vilence takes many forms, and the cartoon thing was violence, it hurt muslims because they love their religion too much, that’s why i said ppl cudn’t understand muslims love for their religion, that’s how they are, u either accept them or reject them but u have to live with them or at least try to live with them and the same for muslims of course.
9) I respect the essence of people’s being ( their humanity) I have muslims, christians and atheists friends) so let’s not throw each other with random accusations, I don’t wanna come here to be called names. I can do the same, its easy peasy, an old greek pholosopher said once ” I thought people respect me because I respect them but I found out people respect me because I respect myself” earn ur respect, start with respecting urself then others so u get respected in return
This wasn’t for you Micheal, nothing personal, i am just talking in general so noone offends the other, let’s not not apply ” l’enfer c’est les autres” rule. It leads to nowhere.
I’m happy that I explained my point of view, if I am wrong then correct me, if I have offended sb then pls forgive me.
Buh-bye :)
I like the way u listed ur ideas so mines wud be listed in the same way, thank u for inspiring me Miss Sarah :)
1) each one has his own way of protesting as long as they do that in a civilized way and boycotting was a very civilized way to express themselves.
2) I commented on the article cz i thought its not credible, i didn’t deny the coptics-muslims problems in egypt. You’re the Egyptian here and I’m sure u know more than I do about what’s going on in ur country and I’d appreciate if u write more articles about this topic so I can learn more abt the situation there.
3) I don’t need to defend Islam, it defends itself and I don’t defend muslims simply because each one is responsible for himself/herself.
4)I don’t defend violence, I don’t defend criminals whether they are muslims or christians or whatever, what is wrong is wrong.
5) Micheal, if you scrolled back u’ll see that I said that the problem was in the way muslims dealt with that cartoon thing not in the act of protestiing, I do believe that some muslims over reacted abt it exactly as they did when they accused that british teacher in Sudan because she called a teddy bear as muhammed, she didn’t mean to offend anyone, she named the teddy bear after a student of hers named muhammed. She appologized ;yet, some ppl insisted to over react abt it and unfortunately she was jailed for that. so as I said, the problem was in the way muslims deal with such problems sometimes.
6)I’m not gonna comment on muslims in france, especially ”les maghrebins” even I know how its like there, its way more complicated than just a religious problem.
7) i’m just amazed with the way u assumed i’m defending violence or as u stated i’m part of the problem, anyways, maybe u misunderstood what i have said and u misjudged me, maybe u do think i’m part of ”the problem” or among the 80% of the muslim evils as Mr.Christian from Venezuela said above(I wonder where he got that 80% from, maybe he has asked all the billion muslims and came out with that conclusion). anywho, its all the same to me since I don’t have any problem in being a muslim, and i forgive u for ur random judgements.
8) there are many kinds of violnce, if u break one’s leg, he’d be healed soon, but verbal violenc remains in one’s mind for the rest of his life. Vilence takes many forms, and the cartoon thing was violence, it hurt muslims because they love their religion too much, that’s why i said ppl cudn’t understand muslims love for their religion, that’s how they are, u either accept them or reject them but u have to live with them or at least try to live with them and the same for muslims of course.
9) I respect the essence of people’s being ( their humanity) I have muslims, christians and atheists friends) so let’s not throw each other with random accusations, I don’t wanna come here to be called names. I can do the same, its easy peasy, an old greek pholosopher said once ” I thought people respect me because I respect them but I found out people respect me because I respect myself” earn ur respect, start with respecting urself then others so u get respected in return
This wasn’t for you Micheal, nothing personal, i am just talking in general so noone offends the other, let’s not not apply ” l’enfer c’est les autres” rule. It leads to nowhere.
I’m happy that I explained my point of view, if I am wrong then correct me, if I have offended sb then pls forgive me.
Buh-bye :)
(Global Perspectives)
Hi Mohammed,
Thanks for your reply, and, LOL don’t worry, I don’t mind people disagreeing with me:).
That’s life.
I am pleased to see that you are against violence. it’s just that your comment seemed to suggest otherwise, and, although I cannot speak for her, these words;
”2. Not only were there protests against the danish cartoons, there was an economy hurt, people injured, flags burnt, boycotts campaigned and people MURDERED. I don’t think that’s protesting.
3. I’m sure people can understand muslims’ love of Islam, but this is not LOVE!”
....would seem to indicate that Sarah thought the same.
Anyways, thanks again for clarifying.
(And, for the Magrebhins of France, you are SOOO right. I could write a book on that one....)
Seeya!
Thanks for your reply, and, LOL don’t worry, I don’t mind people disagreeing with me:).
That’s life.
I am pleased to see that you are against violence. it’s just that your comment seemed to suggest otherwise, and, although I cannot speak for her, these words;
”2. Not only were there protests against the danish cartoons, there was an economy hurt, people injured, flags burnt, boycotts campaigned and people MURDERED. I don’t think that’s protesting.
3. I’m sure people can understand muslims’ love of Islam, but this is not LOVE!”
....would seem to indicate that Sarah thought the same.
Anyways, thanks again for clarifying.
(And, for the Magrebhins of France, you are SOOO right. I could write a book on that one....)
Seeya!
(Global Perspectives)
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